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  My Bethel Exoerience part 14 "The Courtship"

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  my strange bethel courtship started with me trying to meet mike stillman's sister, even though he worked in the ink room next to my elevator, we were not good friends, he was just a little to "country" for me........and on the self-righteous side too.

  they say "there is nothing more dangerous in combat then a new guy with a map!

  ".........well, there was nothing more dangerous at bethel then a self-righteous new boy.. .

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  I'm not married. If you read my profile My JW wife left me after 27 years of marriage, after I left the "tooth". she never even asked me "Why?"

  She was afraid of what she might hear

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  My Bethel Exoerience part 14 "The Courtship"

  by new boy in

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  my strange bethel courtship started with me trying to meet mike stillman's sister, even though he worked in the ink room next to my elevator, we were not good friends, he was just a little to "country" for me........and on the self-righteous side too.

  they say "there is nothing more dangerous in combat then a new guy with a map!

  ".........well, there was nothing more dangerous at bethel then a self-righteous new boy.. .

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  • My strange Bethel courtship started with me trying to meet Mike Stillman's sister, Even though he worked in the ink room next to my elevator, we were not good friends, he was just a little to "country" for me........and on the self-righteous side too. They say "There is nothing more dangerous in combat then a new guy with a map!".........Well, there was nothing more dangerous at Bethel then a self-righteous new boy.

  Anyway one beautiful Saturday morning, in 1972, we were walking to the factory, Mike happen to be walking with me, and he happen to say "God........I would give anything to get out of this city on a day like today"..........I said "Well....... I have a car and no place to go.........You have a place to go and NO car"...He wasn't quite sure of me, but.............next thing I knew, It's him and me and 4 of his nerdy friends driving to Rhode Island.

  Needless to say, it was a great weekend and Debbie who had just turned 19 was happy that her brother finally brought someone home with him, who wasn't a complete hillbilly, like his other friends.

  She lived in Newport Rhode Island with her mother, Elaine and step father, Ben Reagan. They had just moved to Rhode Island from Louisiana. One of the reasons was, they wouldn't make Ben an elder down there. So they moved to "help" the local brothers out and help themselves in a position of power. At the time R.I had the worst ratio of JWs to normal people in the USA.

  Ben was a real winner..........Looked and acted like "Gomer Pyle".......only dumber. He would walk around and say things like "Your fat, I'm fat.....we’re all fat" or "I know one thing about Debbie.....she is tired" He would say that about 30 times a day. He would e pat everyone's on the head, like a small child.......I'm not sure what all that meant? He was definitely three clams shy of a clam bake.

  Of course a year later, they had made this mental giant an elder.........I'll never forget the day he gets this phone call. (I'm sitting in the living room with him) from some poor black sister, from his KH, who was crying her eyes out (because her worldly husband had just beat the shit out of her) and he said to her. Swear to god....... "Well........you must have done something REALLY wrong for him to get so mad............Just have another beer and forget the WHOLE THING!"...............I just sat there, I couldn't believe it........This guy couldn't pour sand out of boot if the directions were written on the heel. Leading the flock of God.

  So, holy spirit puts these guys in power?

  Her mother Elaine, another winner..............Major Hypochondriac......I think she was allergic to everything including air. Naturally she was the one who brought the JW teachings into the family. The crazy ones usually do.

  Debbie who loved her real father, would get her face slapped anytime she brought his name was up and why? He left her psycho bitch mother back in the 50's and married another woman.......he was of course DFed. It was his only way out.

  After we got married in 1974..........We got some "New Light......Yes the light got brighter" and the society said, you could NOW have limited contact with disfellowshipped ones.

  By the way the term "The light gets brighter." really means we were wrong about something. So we are changing our option about it.

  For the whole religion thing to work.......It HAS to be impossible for the society or any church to be wrong, and the reason for that is,...... IF it is wrong about ONE thing, it COULD be wrong about something else, RIGHT? So where, would you draw the line? So the "light gets brighter" stuff works really well.

  Oh by the way,..... I do the same thing now.......If I hurt someone or if I'm wrong about something.............I NEVER say "I"M SORRY"........I say "OPPPss.......my light just got brighter!".......but people think, I'm strange when I say that.......I wonder why?

  Anyway we decided to drive to California to see her real Dad after we got married. She hadn't seen him in about 10 years............Both her and her brother wrote him a letter, when they were kids, saying they had NO desire to see he ever again! That was their mother's idea, sweet women that she is. So Debbie was so excited to see her real Dad who she loved so much.He really was a sweet person. I say WAS, because a few years later after "The LIGHT got brighter once again" in 1979............the society said we are going back to the "old way"(or the old light which was not the new light in 1974) of dealing with DFed ones, by shunning them.

  All this light stuff is very confusing isn’t it?

  So one day in the 1980's Bob call us and wanted to come up for a visit, to see us and his grand kids (my children)..........I said "come on up Bob, we would love to see you!"..........Debbie grabbed the phone out of my hand and told him "That he wasn't welcome NOW and that he couldn't come anymore for visits." We and his son’s family were the only family he had so….. A few years later one morning, we got the phone call.

  Robert Stillman with no family to love him, BLEW his brains out with a 38 special. Yes one more casualty of the Watch Bible and truck society .........”By their love you will know them.”

  That "new light" is funny stuff............sometimes it gets brighter then DARK again...........then bright again, but one thing that new light is, it is NEVER never.............wrong!

  RIGHT?

  So now you know about my two wonderful future in-laws.

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  My Bethel Experience part 15 Health, Dismemberment, Death (natural and unnatural) murder.

  by new boy in

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  this is the fun one......... .

  health, dismemberment, death (natural and unnatural) murder and suicide..

  the people at bethel were killing us spiritually.......and sometimes they killed us physically too..

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  • This is the fun one........

  Health, Dismemberment, Death (natural and unnatural) murder and suicide.

  The people at Bethel were killing us spiritually.......and sometimes they killed us physically too.

  First off....... when you go to Bethel, you sign a document stating that if you die while you are at Bethel, the society has "the right" to keep your body. Most people, just sign it and forget about it, but don't you think that is just a little strange?..........I did. I'm sure some Lawyer had something to do with it.......but why? Here is what I believe is why they make you sign it. If you die and somehow the society had some responsibility in the matter, say bad food, safety issue, a health issue that was not handled properly, which happened all the time. They upset family members of the deceased could go after the church for lots of cash. However no body, no autopsy. Can you think of a better reason they would want your body? Maybe they put in the stew on Saturday mornings.

  So let’s talk about health first.

  When I was at Bethel for 3 years. I started to have problems with my wisdom teeth, so I went to the Bethel Dentist. First question he asked me, after looking at my teeth, was...."So....how long have you been here (bethel)?"......and I told him........he said "Are you planning to stay after your 4 years?"........to which I said "NO"......He said..... "Your teeth are FINE!".......So 6 months after leaving "the house of God" it cost me hundreds of dollars to get my wisdom teeth removed. Cheap bastards. I should have lied.

  Then OSHA came a long in the early 70's. The noise level it the pressroom was deafening......so some of the guys started wearing ear muffs for protection! (That they paid for themselves)......The tours were going through and noticed that SOME of the "brothers" were wearing the ear muffs but most "brothers" were NOT wearing any ear muffs! So, is there a real problem with noise in the pressroom, they tours would asked? So now the society had a real problem........should we spend hundreds of dollars on ear muffs..........or make the "brothers" who were wearing them .......STOP wearing them?............Humm......what to do?......Health?....or money? Good Question? Well....we got new light in the summer of 1973 on the matter.

  Every month, we would have a fire drill in the factory........we would all gather in the basement of building one and Max Larson (The factory overseer) would give us the new information, we needed to know. He wanted to help us with the question about "ear muffs"......So he said "I have a letter here, from Doctor Dixion, and he says that ear muffs are NOT good to use, because they could cause ear infections!" There, we have it, the new light about ear muffs..........So of course everyone stopped wearing them.. So some of my old friends from the pressroom are now wearing earring aids…..ah the love.

  One brother went to the good doctor because he was bleeding from his rectum......The good doc told him he was wiping his ass too hard after going to the can........He spent his own money and went to a "worldly Doctor" and had some test done............He really had a bleeding ulcer.

  A friend of mind we'll call him Steve D........ran his hand through a table saw in the carpenter shop....Dec 26 1972. He cut off his middle finger and destroyed 2 others..........The good brothers told him it would be BEST for HIM if he left Bethel........He and his family had no money, for the many operations he would need on his hand in the months to come......So he said he WANTED to stay at Bethel.......after many talks........ They finally gave in and let him stay............That was nice of them.

  On the same day, December 26th 1972. A guy that lived in the towers hotel commited suicide. He jumped off the roof of the Towers Hotel.......and hit a parking sign on the way down........I didn't, really see him hit........but I did see his blood and his flesh on the sidewalk for weeks afterwards.....little pieces of meat, that no one cleaned up........it was some old "worldly" guy who didn't like the way his Christmas went.

  Side story on my friend Steve..........He runs his hand through a table saw, it goes almost up to his wrist........they take him to the emergency room in Brooklyn.......His hand wrapped in a bloody towel......in all kinds of pain........so he is in this waiting room.......and this orderly is helping him into this gown...The orderly says we need to get a urine sample........Steve is going nuts.........This guy is grabbing Steve’s penis for the test...........just then another guy comes through the door and seeing what is going on....says to the orderly............."JERRY..... YOU SICK FAG............WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING? THIS GUY IS BLEEDING TO DEATH AND YOU ARE TRYING TO GET A FREE FEEL?.......I guess you really don't need a urine test....... if your bleeding to death.

  Isn't that the sickest thing you have ever heard of?..............but I must admit it does remind me of Bethel.....your down and out, bleeding on the floor and they still want a free feel That my friends is a true story, it’s too sick for even me to make up! My poor friend Steve was getting screwed over by everyone....the orderly wants a free feel and Bethel wants him gone.

  So let’s talk about death now....

  So the new guys would say they are never leaving Bethel.........I’d say "Really? ....what if you die....You will be leaving then...... won't you?" So sure the old timers would end up in the infirmary......and die of natural causes.......some of those poor guys in their 80's or 90'.........they NEVER even had sex once!.......that my friends is sad.......I mean don't you think everyone should have sex at least once in a lifetime?

  It’s like the joke...........The 90 old virgin is having his birthday............So his friends get together and say "We need to get this poor guy a women before he dies!".........So they find this "knock out" 21 year old hooker.........They tell her what the situation is and that she his needs to give this guy "Super Sex" So she goes to his house..........and rings the bell.........he comes to the door......opens it and asked "what do you want?".........she says "I'm here for Super Sex"...........He says "OK what flavor is the soup?"

  The unnatural death was the night watchman that fell down the elevator shaft in the squib building. He just open the door and walked it.............good bye.

  Dennis Carlson was cleaning his KH in midtown Manhattan on a Saturday afternoon, when this guy walked in and asked were Richard Wheelock (factory pressroom overseer) lived.........He turned around to write down the address....The guy took out a 10 inch knife and put it in Dennis's back and his heart. That’s why when I left Bethel.......I made a vow I would never under any circumstances clean a kingdom hall, it can be very hazardous to your heath!

  As for suicides at Bethel there were many. More to come.
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  Why I like the Mormons and why they are so much nicer then the JWs.

  by new boy in

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  i never really knew any until recently.

  as a witness we all thought they were weird.

  but the two faiths are a lot alike, except the mormons are really so much nicer than the jws!.

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  Hey guys, chill out. I'm not going to join! I just like the fact if you leave them, you are not cut off from your family.

  Another way they beat the witnesses is they have always believed in higher education.

  There are both stupid religions! JWs are just stupider!
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  Why I like the Mormons and why they are so much nicer then the JWs.

  by new boy in

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  i never really knew any until recently.

  as a witness we all thought they were weird.

  but the two faiths are a lot alike, except the mormons are really so much nicer than the jws!.

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  I never really knew any until recently. As a Witness we all thought they were weird. But the two faiths are a lot alike, except the Mormons are really so much nicer than the JWs!

  My fiancée was raised Mormon. She stopped attending 20 years ago.

  Here is why I think they are nicer then the Johos.

  1. Mormons go door to door. So do the JWs. The difference is they only have to do it for two years. The witnesses their whole lives.

  2. Mormons believe that god is coming back to rule in peace.The JWs believe god is coming to rule in peace too but he after he kills off 95% of the Earths population.

  3. If you leave the Mormons (like my fiancée did many years ago) no big deal. They will still talk to you, still love you. She is very close with all her family. No Judgment! We moved her out of her house a year ago and they sent two brothers to help. They have given her tons of food for her and her three sons, over the years. She even knows nonmembers who have gotten food and support! Well, you know how the witnesses will treat you. Nothing even close!

  4. Mormons love their families no matter what, with no judgment. JWs love their families as long as they are in good standing. Even then the will be judging you every minute!

  So if the scriptures are true that "by their love you will recognize them" then who knows, the witnesses might be in for a big surprise one day.

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  The strangest looking (and acting) nut jobs you have ever seen at the KH!

  by new boy in

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  there are so many after after 52 years in the "borg".. my top two would have to be at my last hall tigard oregon.. one lady slept in her pickup truck with 30 parakeets, sometimes in the kh parking lot.

  people tried to help her with accommodations but she like the truck.

  she really dressed up for the meetings......feather boa's, big hats, looked like may west from the 30's.

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  By the way the purpose of this thread was NOT to make fun of odd people or people who have mental issues. The point was that these people would go out in the field ministry. The people at the doors eternal lives (according to the society) depended on there response to the people who were sharing the "good news" to them.
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  A Big Hello From Mouthy/Grace and.....

  by label licker in

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  a special message to her daughter, ann marie if you are watching this site.

  your mother is eighty-eight now and her memory is going fast.

  please call her, ann marie.

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  Since I haven't been here in years I wondered what happened to Grace, She is such wonderful person. Please pick up the phone Ann Marie!!!

  Children that wont talk to their parents....

  Parents that wont talk to their children....

  What would Jesus do? I wonder.....
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  The strangest looking (and acting) nut jobs you have ever seen at the KH!

  by new boy in

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  there are so many after after 52 years in the "borg".. my top two would have to be at my last hall tigard oregon.. one lady slept in her pickup truck with 30 parakeets, sometimes in the kh parking lot.

  people tried to help her with accommodations but she like the truck.

  she really dressed up for the meetings......feather boa's, big hats, looked like may west from the 30's.

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  A good one from the bone yard!
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  Why does it seem to be unhappy people who are attracted to the JWs?

  by new boy in

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  i have had time to think about this........... i was an attendent for many years.......... and looking up and down the rows at every family that was seating there in the khs........... no one was happy!.

  i think of my mother (who brought this religion into our house)......she was one of the most unhappy and miserable people you would ever meet!

  she was a spiritual orphan with few friends and no real family to speak of.. she got the "good news" back in 1950, that "the world" was a bad place and god, would soon be killing most everyone......she was thrilled!...............

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  'with few friends and no real family to speak of.. ' and why might that be?

  Her mother died trying to give herself an abortion with a coat hanger when she was only 8. My mother was then shipped to her grandfather's house were she was his servant/sex slave. She was just 17 when she moved to California during the war. She had only her sister out there. Of course she wasn't very trusting of people and thought the "world" was an evil place. A place that god should clean up.
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  Why does it seem to be unhappy people who are attracted to the JWs?

  by new boy in

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  i have had time to think about this........... i was an attendent for many years.......... and looking up and down the rows at every family that was seating there in the khs........... no one was happy!.

  i think of my mother (who brought this religion into our house)......she was one of the most unhappy and miserable people you would ever meet!

  she was a spiritual orphan with few friends and no real family to speak of.. she got the "good news" back in 1950, that "the world" was a bad place and god, would soon be killing most everyone......she was thrilled!...............

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  A good one from the bone yard.